If they spelled their "America" with a "k" it would be easier to tell them apart.
Mike Vanderboegh - a reminder that there are [at least] two Americas, and never the twain shall meet. Of course, Mr. Vanderboegh's conception of respecting property, unlike mine, very likely includes the state's power to tax.
I long ago determined, through painful trial and error, that it was impossible to debate such people in any meaningful way. Logic, law, common sense, history -- none would make a dent when debating collectivists about gun control, for example. This is why I finally -- at the demand of such a firearm prohibitionist to give him "the short answer" -- boiled down thousands of years of human history and hundreds of years of western jurisprudence into "If you try to take our firearms we will kill you."
I finally came to understand that such people actually lived in a different country, a different worldview, even a different universe from those of us who respected individuality, liberty and property.