Fire at Will

Submitted by Bill St. Clair on Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:44:18 GMT  <== Politics ==> 

Over the last couple of days, I made eight posts at the New Hampshire Underground Forums. I discovered that there's a strong pacifist streak there, at least as far as resistance to government. Some of them wanted me banned, or deleted. I wish them luck with their pacifist resistance, I really do. But my discussion with pacifists has made it crystal clear to me that I'm not one. Just the opposite.

Over ten years ago, Claire Wolfe wrote, in 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution, "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." Well, it's still too late, but it is no longer too early. Fire at will. Don't directly harm the innocent.

Here are my posts, with links to their context.

Re: Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS

You guys can know personally the people who are being kidnapped and read stuff like Ahmed's "diesel therapy" post and NOT start making lists and hunting down jackals? Amazing. You must be saints.

Sort of a sudden introduction. I've been lurking on this thread as a non-member for quite a while now. Some of you may know my blog, which I've run since sometime in 1999.

I mostly hang out in the Mental Militia Forums, formerly Claire Wolfe's forums, but I read this thread every day.

I'm not currently making lists or hunting down any maggots. Still have young children, so until the threat becomes personal, I won't be going to war. When it does, however, I very well may.

I wish you luck in your peaceful revolution. You'll need it.

Re: Something is going on at Error's apartment!

From http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html

"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

-- Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775

Very few shots have yet been fired, but as far as I'm concerned, our war has also already started. I pray that massive civil disobedience will stop the tyrants, but peaceful means rarely stop an amoral enemy, and I see no reason to think our enemies in this fight have any sense whatsoever of morality. The reason we have the right to keep and bear arms is to keep the government always afraid of violent revolution. But if we say up front that we'll never use those arms, they're not going to fear us at all. Self defense is a right and a duty, though I didn't become fully aware of that until I had kids.

See Walter Mitty's Second Amendment by Jeff Snyder. I highly recomend his book, Nation of Cowards, on the ethics of gun control, which includes the Walter Mitty essay.

Re: How to handle police questioning

Good summary. Have seen similar renderings many times.

Personally, if a cop comes into my house without a proper warrant, and I have the opportunity, I'll shoot, shovel, and shut up. A man's home is his castle. They'll likely lay siege to my house after that, but I'll die proud.

"The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail, its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter, the rain may enter -- but the King of England cannot enter; all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement!" -- William Pitt the elder

Re: How to handle police questioning

Quote from: Bald Eagle on October 08, 2007, 06:24 PM NHFT

I'm thinking we ought to have a form for people to use that would be helpful to them in the event they are leaned on by goons. It's hard to remember what to say or do at odd moments when they spring on you 3-4 at a time.

I suppose you could make a little card containing the following universal script for all interaction with all fedgoons (replace name, city, and state with yours):

"My name is Joe Blow. I live in Anytown, New Hampshire. I do not consent to any search, and I will not answer any questions. Am I free to go?"

Repeat the final question periodically until the answer is yes. Walk away.

If they ask to search, you can reiterate that you do not consent, or, if bored, ask if they have a warrant. Or just remain silent. Respond to no verbal threats. Laruen is an expert at this, though from the videos I've seen, I think she should more clearly state her intention to excercise her right to remain silent.

I doubt I would be able to submit to an assault and kidnapping (aka "arrest") as Lauren does. I'd tend to want to break knees and crush Adams apples. But that's just me. You'll survive better by going limp.

Re: Something is going on at Error's apartment!

error,

When they come to load you into a cattle car and transport you to the ovens, I'm sure your words will stop them. Just as they stopped the other Nazis sixty years ago.

There is a time for defensive violence. I hope everybody here recognizes that time when it comes. Carrying a gun that you will never use is not only worthless, it's dangerous.

My time will be if they attempt to kidnap me for one of their malum prohibitum non-crime "crimes", kidnap my son to send him away to be killed in the latest US-created hell-hole, or routinely impede my travel with stop-and-search on the roads near my home. Those are acts of war, and I'll treat them as such.

Re: Something is going on at Error's apartment!

Quote from: Russell Kanning on Today at 07:40 AM


it will be interesting to see what "words" you use when the feds come to "talk" to you. Seems like most gun toters back down both in word and deed. Strong words that are actually backed up by nonviolent action sure beat just talk. Guys like error actually do what they say. Smiley

I've already posted my script: Name, city, state, non-consent to search, that's all you're gonna get from me. Am I free to go? Bye.

But you're right, as Ed & Elaine discovered. Talking is a lot easier than acting. You guys are doing great work. I just wish you'd let the feds know that there's a limit to what they're allowed to do before they suffer the consequences of their actions. That's what the Second Amendment is for. As it is, they know they can do whatever they want, and all they'll ever get from you is words. Sticks and stones, doncha know.

But at least somebody got them scared. Good. They should quake in their boots every time they open their front doors. There's no Constitutional authority for ANY federal police force. There are only a handful of federal crimes listed in the Constitution, and no authority to create more. They violate their oaths every time they go to work.

Well, I'm makin' a list, and checkin' it twice, gonna find out who's naughty and nice. Li-ber-ty is comin' to town.

Re: Something is going on at Error's apartment!

I never said I expected my one man war to be successful. Though I can hope that my death will stiffen a few spines. Whatever. I don't live my life for anybody but myself and my loved ones. I will not survive being caged, so I'd rather die on my feet, hopefully taking a few of my kidnappers with me. Your mileage obviously varies. I didn't ask you to join me. Only pointed at my lines in the sand.

And I didn't say what was on my list, did I? Maybe I'm giving out medals. I gave one to to Linda Hamilton, before the goons drove her to suicide. Mostly, I was just having fun. I do that a lot.

Re: Something is going on at Error's apartment!

Going back into lurk mode. It was fun. Really. Let me know a lot more about what all y'all are made of.

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