Yellow Is the New Red

Submitted by Bill St. Clair on Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:33:48 GMT  <== Politics ==> 

The Pyramid Must Fall - an impassioned screed against libertarians and anarcho-capitalists.

Perhaps this is long overdue. Perhaps the timing is just right. There is a group of people who have conspired since time immemorial; conspired against all of us. They walk amongst us in our communities. They smile at us and shake our hands. But in reality, they live sick double lives. Their plots are some of the most wretched and ruthless ever to be hatched. The number of lives they've claimed is astronomical. But who these actors are is still poorly understood. There's nothing to differentiate them from the regular population. They want to take down the U.S. government and they've nearly succeeded before, as they have with others. They're as strong now as they've ever been, and their numbers rank in the millions. If the fabric of society does not hold and unite against this threat, they could win. They've made incredible gains so far and they won't rest until their goals are achieved.

The good news is that we've beaten them before. History is riddled with instances of us beating them. The number of forms this threat comes in is many. Their aim, though, remains the same: the overthrow of governments and concentration of power in their hands. I talk, of course, of free market libertarians.

I commented:

Obviously you have no concept of the meaning of the word "libertarian". Hey, you're not alone. Lots of people who call themselves libertarians are in the same boat. Here's the only definition I recognize (from


"Zero Aggression Principle":

A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being for any reason whatever; nor will a libertarian advocate the initiation of force, or delegate it to anyone else.

Those who act consistently with this principle are libertarians, whether they realize it or not. Those who fail to act consistently with it are not libertarians, regardless of what they may claim.

-- L. Neil Smith


Initiation of force is the daily diet of the state. Hence, those who embrace the Zero Aggression Principle (ZAP) realize that the ZAP is incompatible with the state, an organization that forces the minority, at the point of a gun, to comply with the wishes of the majority. An organization that lives on massive theft (aka taxation). An organization that enforces its edicts by kidnapping (aka arresting) those who do not submit. An organization that has killed hundreds of millions of innocent people, in the twentieth century alone, and that continues to kill innocents every day.

Libertarians and anarcho-capitalists are lovers of peace. We harm no one, except in self defense. States live on lies, theft, assault, kidnapping, and murder. How can any moral human being support that?

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their numbers rank in the millions

Submitted by heuristic on Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:25:13 GMT

"their numbers rank in the millions"

If only (lol).

"they could win"

One can hope (lol).

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Submitted by Kent McManigal on Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:35:58 GMT

I said "Nice straw man you've constructed there."
I notice your comment hasn't been posted yet.

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Glorious comment from feralfae

Submitted by Bill St. Clair on Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:54:08 GMT

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Author: feralfae
I am laughing out loud!

Rivers and mountains clearly defined hunting territories for many Peoples. Gathering grounds and farming lands were clearly defined as well. We did not need your paper maps: we know the land.

You may not mean to do so, but you sound like a politician, offering to grant things that are not yours to grant to People so they will let you take their land and their goods.

I have personal, private possessions which have been handed down to me from my many-great grandmothers, and our land we have farmed by the river is our land to farm as long as there are members of our clan who wish to farm it.

We have private property. We have personal possessions. We have horses that are our own. I do not know what books you are reading, but they are not true.

How can you grant health care, and where do you get it to give it to people? From the sky?

You can go make any community you want and agree with other people about it, but when you "humanely" shove people who are already there aside, then you violate their basic human rights to live and exist on that land, no matter how many of you there are, and no matter how few of them there are. That is not your right.

You must know enough history to know about the People who were promised peace if they made their marks on pieces of paper, and then their lands were taken, their horses killed, and their women abused.

Those who came with the pieces of paper, to have agreements signed, made the same sorts of promises that you are trying to make, and they also promised things that were not theirs to give, and they made promises from the wind.

You say there is no valid property ownership because you want to use that as an excuse to take the land and property of other People who do not sign their mark on your pieces of paper.

Do you think you can fool the People with your empty promises? Do you think we have learned nothing from watching what people do who first talk about no property rights, and make empty promises of giving things that are not theirs to promise or give?

If you want to live in peace among other Peoples, then walk in peace, and come in front of them, offering what you, one person, have that is yours, not what you hope to steal from other People.

You cannot trade the wind. You cannot steal from my neighbor to trade with me. You cannot tell me that my family does not own our farm, just because we do not sign your paper.

You can not guarantee us anything except what you, as one person, have to offer. The only way you can get more than is yours is to steal it using force, and if that is your way, we do not want you to live among us.

If you come in peace, offering what is yours, what you have made, and offer to trade your work for food and shelter, then we might have a trade.

But you have no health care to give us unless you are a doctor with your own medicines, and still, we have our own medicines and doctors, so we may not need yours.

What do you, one person standing before People, have to offer that we might invite you to live among us? For that is the question every person must answer. Some are singers, some are mystics, some are hunters, some are farmers, some are storytellers, some guard the horses, some care for the children, some are loving and are cared for because they make us smile. Elders are cared for and teach us much. Those who are hurt can teach how not to get hurt. Everyone who lives in peace has a place, but no one who comes with empty promises has a place. You cannot give what is not yours.

What do you, as one person, have to offer to a People to make you welcome? And it cannot be wind promises or marks on pieces of your paper.

Do you not understand this? Words you are writing here are just the same words the BIA, the Indian Agencies, the war generals have offered for a long time. Words you are writing here are the same words that were written for the Moro, the Amazonian tribes, the first People of Australia, and many more.

Come as one person, stand before others, and offer your self in peace, and become part of a group.

You are making up rules that benefit you and harm others, and that is not a good way. Do you not see this when you read your own words? How are you not following the same path as those who took the lands, over and over, from other Peoples?

How are your empty promises better than those of the treaty men who promised to leave the land and the animals, then took the land and killed the animals?

Do you not hear your own empty words? You speak from some power place outside your own self, when all you really have is you, and what you can offer as a person, to live in peace with others. Speaking from some power place means that you will need to steal or get someone to steal from other Peoples to keep the wind promises you make. Bring us your own free health care, if you wish, but do not take from others to give gifts that are not from you, you as one person, one person standing before us on your own.

I think you do not know very much about other cultures, or you would not think or say that we do not have property rights. If you and some other people want to live with no property rights, good luck. But you have no right to impose that notion on any other Peoples. And if you have no property rights, then do you own yourself? Do you own your labor? Do you own what you make? Do you own where you plant corn, even, or can anyone come and claim your corn?

I do not understand your thinking, except that is appears very confused to me. But I may be too simple to understand your complex philosophy, for it seems to me you are saying that if a group arrives on land already occupied, they can take it and slowly force the other People who have farmed that land for generations to go away, and there is no right or wrong, just true. That is a wrong way to think, and it is the way I have learned from history, is the way of war people. Is this your way?

I am studying what you write here very carefully.

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